The internet has, quite recently, become an incredible tool for finding free data on housing. Sites like
Zillow and
Craigslist can give any soul with a thirst for facts a 64oz tub of
Buzz Cola with unlimited free refills.
Now that basic housing data is out there for everyone, it's easier than ever to see a bubble's correction in real-time. Fringe, average or below quality suburban development in Orlando appears to be falling the fastest and the furthest thus far.
Led by a tip from a reader in reply to
Quality Bring Sticky Prices (thanks, David!), I began researching the Victoria Pines subdivision built by now-bankrupt
Engle Homes. These homes appear to have been built in 2005 and 2006, which means the ones that sold were priced at the top of the bubble. Not surprisingly, it looks like many of their original owners are now attempting short sales.
Google Maps Link (there's not much constructed, yet) The development is located off Young Pine Rd to the south of Curry Ford Rd, 1/2 a mile east of the 417.
The Craigslist research was quite striking. What are 2 fundamentally identical 2/2.5 townhouses are priced from
$128,300 in an apparent short sale to this hilarious
$164,900 "PRICED WELL BELOW RECENT APPRAISAL!!"
Nice try, Realtor! Both of these properties are assumed to be around 1071sf.
This seller on Zillow wins the wishful pricing cup, asking a whopping $
215,000 for his 2/2.5 1304sf ball and chain. I'm not sure whether it's amusing or sad that he's trying to sell it for more than he paid back in April, 2006 ($213,400).
The $215k townhouse under performing the ZIP, and falling since purchase.
Zillow's estimate today is $164,000, but with lower comps coming soon, it has another 20% to lose fast. Zillow seems to lag many months when prices are changing quickly.
According to David, there's a
2/2.5/1 (garage), 1200sf unit that's been for sale since July, 2006. It's now
down to $
135,000 with no takers, but I was unable to locate it through the internet. Perhaps I'll drive through the neighborhood if I'm out that way sometime and call a few of the numbers on the lawn.
Rental prices are coming down along with the prices, albeit slowly. This
Craigslist search tonight shows 4 Victoria Pines townhouses for rent. The lowest is
$925, and the highest is a sole $1200. With a HOA fee and taxes of perhaps $350/mo and a mortgage for $128,300, ($770/mo 30yr at 6%), prices look to be getting close to rent parity.
Let's assume as prices slip another 25%, rent will drop 10% to $850/month for these 2/2.5 condos. You would have to get one at a $500/mo mortgage to break even (can't forget those taxes and HOA fees est. at $350). That's an
$83,400 condo, 24% below the $110k you might be able to buy today through a short sale. Then again, if you believe rent will go up to $1200 in a few years and you can afford short term negative cash flow...
We will certainly be watching trends in this development to estimate where the market is heading. Again,
readers are welcome to suggest topics and particular neighborhoods/houses to analyze. I would love it if readers would question my assumptions and figures in order to get more accurate results. For example, taxes and HOA fees could be hundreds off.